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来源:小平 发布时间:2016-7-10 10:52:46
 Donna Gordon 2016/6/20Monday(星期一)PM8:04:41
I said at the end of our lastclass as a part of the homework, I wanted you to formulate 2 questions aboutGenesis for class this morning.
Does anyone have a questionthey would like to ask?
(翻译-清辞Wei:上节课最后我提到,作为作业的一部分,请大家想出关于创世纪的两个问题,我们今天来讨论。
有人想提出他们的问题吗?)

Questions about circumcise
关于割礼的问题
张洁 Jessica 5号:我的两个问题1、为什么是用割礼作为神的印证,为什么不用其他方式,比如刺青纹身等?2、为什么神要求男性用割礼来证明,不需要女士也用某种方式来印证,或者神不是女士的神吗?

DonnaGordonJessica, very good questions.
(翻译-清辞Wei:好问题!)

As we saw in Genesis, God doesnot give a reason why he wants Abraham and his descendants to be circumcised.
(翻译-清辞Wei:创世纪里,神并没有给出他想要亚伯拉罕和他的后代行割礼的原因。)

So, we can only guess why Godrequires circumcision for males.
(翻译-清辞Wei:所以,我们现在只能猜测神为什么要求男性进行割礼。)

God says that circumcision ofall males is a visible sign of the covenant or agreement that he makes withAbraham.
(翻译-清辞Wei:神说割礼是一个可见的象征,象征着他和亚伯拉罕的约定。)

It does seem to be ratherharsh, do you think?
(翻译-清辞Wei:确实看起来有些不近人情,是吗?)

张洁 Jessica 5号:是的。
DonnaGordonTo your second question, if males are to be circumcised,does God not like women also?
(翻译-清辞Wei:关于你的第二个问题,只是男人要割礼,那么神不喜爱女人们吗?)

张洁 Jessica 5号:就是奇怪神对女士没做任何要求。
DonnaGordonWomen cannot be easily circumcised like men. It is verydangerous.
(翻译-清辞Wei:女人行割礼是很危险的。)

张洁 Jessica 5号:那神或者可以要求女士用其他方式印记呀?但神没对女士做任何要求。
DonnaGordonSince women can't be circumcised like men and wereactually viewed as the "property" of their fathers and husbands, theywould be included under the sign of their father or husband's circumcisionmark.
(翻译-清辞Wei:因为女人不能像男人那样行割礼,而且她们当时是被当作父亲和丈夫的财产的,所以父亲和丈夫的割礼也代表她们和神定约了。)

The ancient society in theBible was considered to be a Patriarchal society ruled by men.  Most of the commandments and laws were to bedone by the men.
(翻译-清辞Wei:圣经里的古代社会是父权社会。大部分的法律规则都是男人定的。)

张洁 Jessica 5号:还是附属品。
DonnaGordonEven in today's more traditional Jewish religioustradition, the laws and commandments were to be done by the males.
(翻译-清辞Wei:即使在今天的比较传统的犹太人社会里,还是这样的。)

Women were viewed as property,they were not required to carry out all of God's religious commandment.  They were too busy raising children.
(翻译-清辞Wei:女人被当成财产,她们不需要遵从所有的神的命令。她们要忙于抚育后代。)

Jiangsu海阔天空  14号:因为女人是男人的肋骨嘛!
DonnaGordon Jiangsu, yes, the whole story about Eve being formed from Adam's ribs wasto say that man was dominant over the female.
(翻译-清辞Wei:是的,夏娃是用亚当的肋骨做的这个故事就是说男人优于女人。)

Of course......... we all knowthat it should be the other way, because all men come out of women!!
(翻译-清辞Wei:当然,我们都知道真相是相反的,因为男人是女人生出来的。)

Very true, rightladies???  
(翻译-清辞Wei:很对,是吗,女士们?)

Any other questions aboutGenesis from the Students before we go on to the Book of Exodus?
(翻译-清辞Wei:在我们开始出埃及记之前,大家对创世纪还有什么问题吗?)

Ok, if there are no otherquestions about Genesis, let's move on to the Book of Exodus.
(好的,如果大家对创世纪没有问题了,那我们就继续学习出埃及记。)
 
About Exodus
关于《出埃及记》
DonnaGordonDid everyone read Exodus?
(翻译-清辞Wei:大家都读了出埃及记了吗?)

Jiangsu海阔天空  14号:从字面上对圣经的理解,是人和神分开的,如何让人们转向内心去寻找上帝是就在自己内心里呢?

DonnaGordonjiangsu, a very goodquestion.  Why does the Bible not showhow people can find God in their heart?
(翻译-清辞Wei:好问题。为什么圣经里没有讲人们如果在自己内心里找到上帝呢?)

The mind set of the people ofthe Middle East where the Bible was writtenwas and is very different from the far Eastern Asian countries.
(翻译-清辞Wei:圣经写成时的中东地区的人们的思考方式和东亚国家的人们是很不同的。)

They were nomads who traveledfrom place to place with their families, animals, and tents.
(翻译-清辞Wei:他们是带着家人,牲口和帐篷到处游牧的游牧民族。)

Their experience of the worldwas very different from yours where people experienced what they called Chi,the life force.
(翻译-清辞Wei:他们的经历和你们的先人很不同。你们的古人们体验到了气这个生命的力量。)

The ancient Hebrews called itGod, and still do.
(翻译-清辞Wei:古希伯来人叫它为神,现在仍是这样。)

The Bible on the surface seemsvery harsh, and God seems very harsh also.
(翻译-清辞Wei:圣经表面上看是非常苛刻的,神也是很苛刻的。)

But, I still say that when mangoes much deeper into the symbolism of the Bible, they will see that God can befound in the heart.
(翻译-清辞Wei:但是,我仍然认为如果能看到圣经的深层含义的话,他们将可以看到自己内心的神。)

Donna Gordon :Ok, afterreading Exodus what did you think of Exodus?
(翻译-清辞Wei:好,大家对出埃及记有什么感想吗?)

At the end of Genesis, whatcountry did Joseph and his brothers live in?
(翻译-清辞Wei:在创世纪最后,约瑟和他的兄弟们住在哪个国家?)

They ended up in Egypt.
(翻译-清辞Wei:他们最终在埃及。)

At the beginning of Exodus,the descendants of Jacob are living in Egypt.  
(翻译-清辞Wei:在出埃及记的开始,雅各布的后代都住在埃及。)

Joseph, who second to theruler of Egypt,has died and a new ruler has come to power who does not remember Joseph.
(翻译-清辞Wei:约瑟,仅次于埃及的统治者。他死后,新的统治者上台,约瑟被遗忘。)

The new ruler, called thePharoah, has made the Hebrews to be slaves.
(翻译-清辞Wei:新的统治者,叫法老王,把希伯来人做奴隶对待。)

They work to make cities forthe Pharoah.
(翻译-清辞Wei:他们为法老建筑城市。)

The word in Hebrew for Egyptis:Meets-ra-yeem.
(翻译-清辞Wei:希伯来文里埃及叫Meets-ra-yeem)

Mee means from
tsra-yeem means narrowness.
(翻译-清辞Wei:Mee是“从,来自”的意思。tsra-yeem是“窄,狭小”的意思。)

So if we take a symbolic lookat Egypt, we can see thatthe experience of Egyptput the Hebrews into a very oppressive and narrow place.
(翻译-清辞Wei:如果我们把埃及看成一个象征,我们可以看到在埃及的经历让希伯来人处在一个被压抑的困境。)

They were not free to be theirown people they were slaves.
(翻译-清辞Wei:他们不是自由人,是奴隶。)

But despite their oppression,the Hebrew slaves became very numerous. Pharoah and his advisors thought that they might outnumber them.
(翻译-清辞Wei:尽管被压抑,希伯来人的数量还是多了起来。法老和他的顾问们担心希伯来人的数量会超过他们。)

Pharoah ordered every Hebrewmale baby to be murdered in order to control the population numbers.
(翻译-清辞Wei:法老下令杀掉所有希伯来的男婴,以控制人口的数量。)

Moses was born and hidden byhis mother. She then floated him down the river in a basket.The Sister ofPharoah found him and then raised him as her own son.
(翻译-清辞Wei:摩西出生后,被他的母亲藏起来。她把他放在一个篮子里,顺河而下。法老的姐妹看到了他,把他作为自己的儿子来抚养。)

张洁 Jessica 5号:恐怖。
DonnaGordonYes, Jessica, the Pharoah was not a very nice man.(是的,Jessica,法老王不是一个很好的人。)

Moses grew up in the house ofthe Pharoah.
(翻译-清辞Wei:摩西在法老的宫殿里长大。)

He then kills an Egyptiantaskmaster who was beating a helpless Hebrew slave.
(翻译-清辞Wei:他把一个埃及人监工杀死了,因为他在打一个无助的希伯来人奴隶。)

He escapes Egypt and flees to the desert wherehe meets his wife and Father in law.  Hebecomes a shepherd of sheep.
(翻译-清辞Wei:他逃离了埃及,流浪到沙漠里。在那里,他遇到了他的岳父和妻子。他成为了一个牧羊人。)

张洁 Jessica 5号:当时读这段的时候,有种电影桥段的感觉。
DonnaGordonYes, Jessica, the Bible has been made into a movie manytimes!   
So, now that Moses is in thedesert, he has an encounter with God.  
(翻译-清辞Wei:摩西在沙漠里遇到了神。)

How does Moses experience Godfor the first time?
(翻译-清辞Wei:摩西第一次见到神的经历是怎么样的?)

What does he see that he can'tmake sense of?
(翻译-清辞Wei:他看到了什么不可思议的景象呢?)

He is out watching his flockof sheep when he sees a burning bush.
(翻译-清辞Wei:他在外放羊,看到了一个燃烧的树丛。)

What is so special about thisburning bush?
(翻译-清辞Wei:这个树丛有什么特别呢?)

It looks like it is on fire,but it is not burning up.
(翻译-清辞Wei:看起来是在燃烧,但没有被烧坏。)

God delivers a message toMoses from the Bush and tells him that he must go back to Egypt and bring the Hebrews out of Egypt and take them to the landof Canaan, which is Israel.
(翻译-清辞Wei:神告诉摩西要回到埃及去,把希伯来人带出埃及,把他们带到迦南之地,就是以色列。)

If we look deeper at theBurning Bush, what can it represent?
(翻译-清辞Wei:如果我们深想一下,燃烧的树丛代表什么呢?)

Ok, what did we encounter atthe beginning of Genesis?  What was thefirst thing that God made?
(翻译-清辞Wei:我们在创世纪一开头看到的是什么?神创的第一个东西是什么?)

God made light!
(翻译-清辞Wei:神创造了光!)

What happens to Moses when heencounters the light of the Burning Bush?
(翻译-清辞Wei:摩西看到了燃烧的树丛的光,发生了什么事?)

张洁 Jessica 5号:神显灵了。
DonnaGordonWhen Moses encounters God at the Burning bush, Mosesbecomes enlightened.  
(翻译-清辞Wei:当摩西在燃烧的树丛遇到神,他就开悟了。)

He is spiritually awakened.
(翻译-清辞Wei:他在灵性上醒来了。)

Jiangsu海阔天空  14号:没想到有联系,怎么忽然就开悟了?
DonnaGordonJiangsu, think ofyourself. If you encountered a Divine power like God you would becomeenlightened very quickly! (江苏,想想你自己。如果你遇到一个像神一样的神圣的力量,你将开悟得很快。)
Jiangsu海阔天空  14号:好吧! 

DonnaGordonSimilar to Buddha, he leaves his palace, he goes outamong the people, he sees their poverty and their souls and becomesenlightened.
(翻译-清辞Wei:就像佛陀,他离开宫殿,看到世人们,看到他们的贫穷和灵魂,就开悟了。)

There is a lot of talk aboutthe desert in the Bible.
(翻译-清辞Wei:圣经里经常提到沙漠。)

What is a desert?  Anyone know?
(翻译-清辞Wei:沙漠代表着什么?有人知道吗?)

张洁 Jessica 5号:开悟的时候有光,是不是这个。

DonnaGordonFor me, I now see the desert as a very desolate place, aplace of nothingness.  White paper. 
(翻译-清辞Wei:对我来说,我现在看到的沙漠是一个非常荒凉的地方,一个虚无的地方,像白纸一样。)

张洁 Jessica 5号:哦,原来如此。

DonnaGordonThe desert can be a symbol of the concept of White paperor nothingness.
(翻译-清辞Wei:沙漠是白纸和虚无的象征。)

Moses encounters enlightenmentand God while in a place and state of mind of nothingness.
(翻译-清辞Wei:摩西在头脑空白的时候见到了神,开悟了。)

He is awakened to higherconsciousness.
(翻译-清辞Wei:他意识到了自己的高层觉知。)

He is now given a message inhis enlightened state of mind and consciousness to go back to Egypt and freehis people, the Hebrews.
(翻译-清辞Wei:在这种状态下,他收到了一个信息,让他回去埃及,解救希伯来人。)

Any questions from thestudents before we end our class for today?
(翻译-清辞Wei:今天的课结束前大家有什么问题吗?)

We will talk more aboutenlightenment in the Bible at our next class.
(翻译-清辞Wei:下节课我们会讲更多圣经里的关于开悟的故事。)

张洁 Jessica 5号:
班级:CH416211中美禅学院圣经课程
时间:2016.6.20
授课老师:Donna老师
作业:homework:
Make sure that youare finished reading Exodus. 读完出埃及记。
Also:
Write a shortparagraph about a time you felt more spiritually enlightened through thepractice of meditation and bringing your mind to nothingness, white paper. 还有,写一小段你感到有所开悟的经历,当你通过静坐,让你的头脑放空如白纸一样。
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